These remind me a lot of my prized tortoise picks, only they cost a lot less. They do not fall apart as much in the washing machine, but still thicken a d some what soften in water, just like the real tortoise. I usually will use a sanding block and thin mine down, but for the money give these a shot. A Hawk Bill Sea Turtle did not die so you can play guitar either, just the cow from your last burger and fires. I have 8 tortoise picks left from grinding up a vanity set. I prefer these Allparts hoof and horn picks. It is about the same feel for a lot less. Try $48 less.